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Correspondence - Fr Baker/Latin Mass

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N1. letter 20-5-1975 correspondent Local priest not following rite changesn
N2. letter 28-5-1975 correspondent Downham Market situation not good
N3. letter 25-5-1975 Bishop's Office Letter passed to Bishop Clark for rely
A4. letter 15-7-1975 Bishop Clark Understand anxiety. Working on a solution
N5. letter 31-7-1975 correspondent Support for Bishop Clark's action seen in press
A6. letter 7-8-1977 Bp Clark Reorganisation of parishes in Dereham/Swaffam
N7. letter 8-8-1975 correspondent Unhappy re loss of parish priest and daily Masses
A8. letter 9-8-1975 Fr Baker Time to consider Bp's letter; Happy Birthday to Bp.
N9. letter 9-8-1975 correspondent Bp's wrong understanding lead to wrong decision
A10. letter 10-8-1975 correspondent Petition sent to Bp Grant & Bp Clark
A10-1. petition 10-8-1975 correspondent Covering letter and Petition against changes at Downham
N11. letter 11-8-1975 Bp Clark Details to be confirmed - Masses will be held at Downham
A12. letter Aug 1975 Fr Baker Position at Downham comfortable/flourishing - no need for concern
A13. letter 12-8-1975 Bp Clark Explanation of changes; need for obedience to your Bishop; request to resign
N14. letter 12-8-1975 correspondent Retired priest saying Mass is more edifying at Downham than anywhere
N15. letter 12-8-1975 Mrs V M Gillick Request to reconsider decision about Fr Baker
N16. letter 12-8-1975 correspondent [an extract] advising caution for such a small matter / parish
N17. letter 14-8-1975 Bp Clark cannot allow disobedience; need to be resolute
N18. letter 14-8-1075 Bp Clark Correspondent's tone? decision is with pastoral concern
A19. letter 16-8-1975 Fr Baker Wishes Bp Clark Happy Birthday; will reply when Bp Grant responds
N20. letter 16-8-1975 correspondent Entreats reconsideration of Downham decision
N21. letter undated correspondent quotes "Gentleman Jack" by Robert Herrick; cautions Bp
N22. letter 18-8-1975 correspondent challenges the Bp to produce the Papal document imposing "New Mass"
N23. letter 15-8-1975 correspondent Copy of letter to Fr Baker; crime is to say Mass!; Bp will pay
N24. letter 19-8-1975 correspondent Support for pastoral role of Fr Baker; leave him unmolested
A25. letter 19-8-1975 Bp Clark Asks Fr Baker to announce that courtesy and Christian Charity should be reflected in letters
N26. letter undated correspondent Dismay at closure of Downham Market as a parishes
N27. letter 20-8-1975 correspondent Questioning decision to remove a much loved parish priest
A28. letter 20-8-1975 correspondent Robust letter challenging the Bishop's decision; copied to Hierarchy
A29. letter 20-8-1975 Fr Baker Unfortunate Anglia TV programme; sorry about intemperate letters
N30. letter 20-8-1975 correspondent Anglo-Catholic priest supports Fr Baker as a good parish priest
N31. letter 21-8-1975 correspondent long letter addressing the attempt to dismiss Fr Baker
N32. letter 22-8-1975 correspondent Support for Fr Baker; dislike of a watered down Mass
N33. letter 22-8-1975 correspondent Support for Fr Baker; many attend for Tridentine Latin Mass
N34. letter 22-8-1975 correspondent Press reports on Fr Baker and Bishop's decision - false ecumenism
N35. letter 22-8-1975 correspondent Press reports on removal of Fr Baker; a grave injustice
N36. letter 23-8-1975 correspondent Indulgence for different forms of Mass but not for Tridentine
N37. letter 23-8-1975 correspondent Plea to allow "the glorious Tridentine Mass"
N38. letter 23-8-1975 correspondent Wide ranging letter: CofE; sects; secret societies; bogus ecumenism
N39. letter 23-8-1975 correspondent Allow Folk masses and pop music; why not Tridentine?
N40. letter 24-8-1975 correspondent scotch rumours causing pain and distress re Tridentine
N41. letter 24-8-1975 correspondent Always priests of Fr Baker's calibre
N42. letter 25-8-1975 correspondent incomprehensible harshness of decision; staunch/holy Fr Baker
N43. letter 25-8-1975 correspondent Sad about Fr Baker; refugees fleeing the Anti-Christ
N44. letter 25-8-1975 correspondent Denial of Spiritual Nourishment from Mass at Downham
N45. letter 25-8-1975 correspondent protest at action taken against Downham priest
N46. letter 25-8-1975 correspondent support for new rite and replacement of Fr Baker; silent majority
N47. letter 26-8-1975 correspondent keep Fr Baker and Tridentine Mass
N48. letter 26-8-1975 correspondent many praying for a change of priest at Downham
N49. letter 26-8-1975 correspondent offensive proposal to interfere with Bp's authority
N49-1. notice 26-8-1975 "Pilgrimage to Downham Market and Day of Prayers"
N49-2. letter 26-8-1975 correspondent Asks Fr Baker "Aught we not to obey?"
N50. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent Kentucky Rev distressing news about Fr Baker being ousted
N51. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent Reconsider decision
N52. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent Enclosed verse expresses writer's feelings; sorry for Bishop
N52-1. verse "Now, Downham Market's Golgotha,"; 8 four line verses
N53. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent Suppression of traditional Mass; not wipe Fr Baker off the map
N54. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent Daily Mail report of Mass with sliced bread and paper cups
N55. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent Allow Mass at Downham; support for Fr Baker
N56. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent Allow Fr Baker to follow his conscience
N57. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent Reconsider changing parish boundaries.
N58. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent Old Mass wanted; parishioners fortunate to have Fr Baker
N59. letter 27-8-1975 correspondent dismayed at boundary changes and removal of Fr Baker
N60. letter undated correspondent by what authority is the Bishop doing what he is doing?
N61. letter 28-8-1975 correspondent Fr Baker well regarded; change your decision
N62. letter 28-8-1975 Bp Clark Grateful for the letter; inundated with condemnation;
N63. letter 28-8-1975 Bp Clark appreciate the courtesy; next few weeks will be difficult
A64. letter 28-8-1975 Bp Clark To Bp Grant. Diocese division; Downham Market; PPs changeover on 7 October
N65. letter 28-8-1975 correspondent suggesting alternative solution to suppressing Latin Mass
N66. letter undated unsigned wide ranging polemic; geopolitics, Russia, Israel, history & ills of Catholics in England
N67. letter 29-8-1975 unsigned "do not commit your dirty deed on Father Baker"
N68. letter 29-8-1975 correspondent schizm [sic] arisen over adoption of New Mass
A69. letter 29-8-1975 correspondent support for the good job Fr Sketch is doing in Downham
N70. letter 29-8-1975 correspondent silent majority support Bishop's approach
N71. letter 30-80`975 correspondent support for Latin Mass
N72. letter 31-8-1975 correspondent protest against removal of Fr Baker
N73. letter 31-8-1975 correspondent farmer using the metaphor of the shepherd and his sheep
N74. letter 31-8-1975 correspondent protest at attempts to oust Fr Baker; exercise right for old Mass
N75. letter 31-8-1975 correspondent Why discard the old Mass? Pride?
N76. letter 31-8-1975 correspondent No choice given; suppression of old teachings
N77. letter 31-8-1975 correspondent admiration for Bishop's stand at Downham
N78. letter 31-8-1975 correspondent one-sided media reporting; feels for the Bishop
N79. letter 29-8-1975 correspondent Retired priest [?] on English Indult vs. Novus Ordo
N80. letter 1-9-1975 correspondent "Ildephonsus", Lynford, a pity Fr Baker did not resign and retire as Fr Houghton did
N81. letter 1-9-1097 correspondent Allow both rites; Bishops not in touch with laity
N82. postcard 1-9-1975 unsigned randomly covered with sketches, phrases, recusant references
N83. letter 1-9-1975 correspondent support for Bishop's efforts to implement Vatican II
N84. letter 2-9-1975 correspondent in support of Archbishop Lefebvre, Fr Baker; Curia is destroying the Church
A85. statement 2-9-1975 Bp Clark To Catholic Herald, taken by Mr Duggan - Downham affair
A85-1. notes 2-9-1975 Bp Clark Manuscript answers to questions put by Catholic Herald
N86. letter 2-9-1975 J Todhunter Support for Bp; Mention of Justice Cumming-Bruce drink driving conviction
N87. letter 2-9-1975 correspondent Pope Pius V 1570 rite in perpetuity; grave suspicion over new rite and other changes
N88. letter 2-9-1975 correspondent reconsider making Latin Mass inaccessible in East Anglia
N89. letter 2-9-1975 correspondent diatribe against shabby treatment of Fr Baker and the changes being implemented after Vatican II
A90. letter 4-9-1975 The Table Editor: piece on Downham Market; Fr Baker really exemplary?
N91. postcard 5-9-1975 correspondent distress at being forbidden the worship of our martyrs
N92. letter 5-9-1975 correspondent church acting in haste; do not wrong Fr Baker
N93. letter 5-9-1975 Revd KV Ensor Anglican making observations about ecumenical changes
N94. letter 5-9-1975 correspondent Blame on Bps Butler and Clark for Catholic Dogma damage
N95. letter 7-9-1975 correspondent support for Latin mass; exemplified by the CCR, etc.
A95. letter 7-9-1975 Bp Grant Requests Fr Baker to attend in Northampton for discussions
A96. letter 8-9-1975 Bp Clark[?] To Tablet editor, article honest appraisal of Downham affair
N97. letter 8-9-1975 correspondent distressed at possible dismissal of Fr Baker for Latin Mass
A98. letter 9-9-1975 Bp Clark Fr Baker on women's attire; Bishops looking for a solution
A99. letter 9-9-1975 Bp Clark To Rev Ensor, touched by letter; misery at Downham
A100. letter 9-9-1975 Bp Clark Bp Grant has waited; will use Canon Law not act summarily
A101. letter 9-9-1975 Bp Office Copy of letter from Bp Grant to Fr Baker via Fr Hammond
A101-1. letter 9-9-1975 Bp Grant Fr Baker is acting against Church Law; invited to resign
N102. letter 9-9-1975 correspondent distressed at Fr Baker being censured
N103. letter 9-9-1975 correspondent sorry about vicious letters; laity's resistance to changes; left wing favoured over right wing; hardening attitudes
N104. letter 9-9-1975 correspondent bill of St Pius V was never repealed
N105. letter 9-9-1975 correspondent stop aligning Catholic with Anglican liturgy/theology
N106. letter 10-9-1975 correspondent American family visiting enjoy Latin Mass; reconsider proposed actions
N107. letter 11-9-1975 correspondent No respect for sacred aspects of the Mass or Church
A108. letter 11-9-1975 Alan Smithies Poet: short treatise on development of English language liturgy; providing 4 hymns
N109. letter 11-9-1975 correspondent support for Bishop after seeing him on TV; convert from Marxism
A110. letter 11-9-1975 Sr Bede The changes are proper; implementation / explanation poor
N111. letter 11-9-1975 correspondent Tho' pro-Latin faction is vociferous; many have accepted new Mass
N112. letter 12-9-1975 correspondent Let Fr Baker continue his holy duties and say Latin Mass
N113. letter 13-9-1975 correspondent against me or for me; support for Fr Baker & Archbishop Lefebvre
N114. letter 14-9-1975 correspondent inconsistent approach by Bishops; overnight decrees changing life long habits
N115. letter 14-9-1975 correspondent support for Fr Baker; lowering of liturgy standards
N116. letter 15-9-1975 Bp Clark Catholic Herald's Douglas Brown article ".. what is really happening."; Thanks for the encouraging letter
A117. letter 15-9-1975 Bp Clark D Brown's article was right; Times' Clifford Longley's good overview of what is at stake
N118. letter 14-9-1975 correspondent General discontent at Fr Baker situation in Downham; look forward to arrival of Fr Sketch
N119. letter 14-9-1975 correspondent Anglicans can choose service types - why not Catholics? Allow Fr Baker to continue
N120. letter 15-9-1975 correspondent innovation is destroying the church; Fr Baker is an example
N121. letter 22-9-1975 correspondent support for Fr Baker; removal of Bp Clark
N122. letter 23-9-1975 correspondent Silent majority want life in the parish and not Fr Baker - list of 140
N123. letter 24-9-1975 correspondent appeals for a sympathetic approach for Fr Baker
N124. letter 1-11-1975 correspondent liberals depriving traditional Catholics of Latin Mass
N125. letter 8-11-1975 correspondent puzzled about Downham affair; demonstrate paternal charity?
N126. letter 11-11-1975 correspondent maintain the parish as it is; keep a priest, which are in short supply
N127. letter 14-11-1975 correspondent a good priest being harshly dismissed; change decision
N128. letter 15-11-1975 correspondent conformity for itself; allow both rites together
N129. letter 18-11-1975 correspondent why punish a priest for doing what he was ordained to do?
A130. letter 20-11-1975 Bp Grant Covering letter for official decree removing Fr Baker
A130-1. decree 19-11-1975 Bp Grant Decree for the removal of Fr Baker from Downham parish
A131. letter 24-11-1975 Bp Grant Consequences of the Decree for Fr Baker
A132. letter 25-11-1975 Bp Grant unbalanced account given in Daily Telegraph re Downham
A133. notice 26-11-1975 Bp Grant Explanatory notice for Fr Sketch to give to parishioners
N134. letter 27-11-1975 correspondent tolerance for "pop-masses" but not for traditional rite
N135. letter 28-11-1975 correspondent high-handed treatment of Fr Anthony Roberts and Fr Baker; Gorleston ceremony marred by an ungenerous disposition - astonished and is not forgotten
A136. letter 26-12-1097 Fr Baker cover letter to unidentified editor for a statement; asks for 24 copies of the edition it appears in
A136-1 statement 26-12-1975 Fr Baker Statement including objections to "New Mass"
N137. letter 28-12-1975 correspondent lengthy letter challenging Bp Grant's line on Fr Baker
N137-1. encl. undated unknown included example received of attack on traditional ways
N138. letter 30-12-1975 Cath. Herald Editor for Bp Clark's view [on Fr Baker's letter of 26-12]
A139. letter 2-1-1976 Bp Clark To Cath. Herald editor; Fr Baker not correct to attack Bp secretary
N140. letter 15-1-1976 correspondent Cover letter for copy of letter to Bp Grant
N140-1. letter 15-1-1976 correspondent challenges the authority of action against Fr Baker
N141. review undated Tom Sutcliffe "Amen Corner" - unknown source - review of Long Play (LP) record of Mass at Downham Market on All Souls November 1975
N142. letter 5-7-1976 correspondent Why is Tridentine Mass so wrong after a thousand years?
N143. letter 6-7-1976 correspondent Bp Clark's Pastoral letter heard with sadness. A mature Church can disregard Fr Baker and the "rebel Cardinal"
N144. letter 8-7-1976 pseudonym Bp Clark's extraordinary outburst against Fr Baker [in Pastoral Letter]; silly and stupid laws will be disobeyed
N145. letter 9-7-1976 correspondent Quotes Malcolm Muggeridge: church is driving the faithful away; Bp and similar are suppressing the Catholic Mass
N146. letter 10-7-1976 correspondent without forgiveness Fr Baker and his followers will not find their way back
N147. letter 11-7-1976 Fr Atkinson Understanding is key; need to explain the changes clearly
N148. letter 12-7-1976 correspondent Attack on Fr Baker; traditionalist do not discredit the Church
N149. leaflet 12-7-1976 unknown "Pray for the Return of the Latin Mass" [printed]; M/s: pray that Bp Clark stops his vendetta against Fr Baker
A150. letter 14-7-1976 Bp Clark Sad that must address Fr Bakers' activities; tried many times to build bridges; but the refusal to accept new teachings
N151. letter 18-7-1976 correspondent Press cutting from Cambridge; sorry missed Bp Clark's ordination
A152. statement 25-7-1976 Bp Lindsay Warning about Marcel Lefebvre's group organising an unofficial old Latin mass
A153. letter 30-7-1976 Fr Baker cannot accept unquestioning and bind obedience
A154. letter 4-8-1976 Bp Lindsay Fr Baker is neglecting guidance from many sources
A155 letter 9-8-1976 Bp Lindsay Press cuttings; Fr Baker causing embarrassment in Newcastle
A155-1 press 4-8-1976 Press 3 pages; copies of press cuttings
A156 letter 9-8-1976 Bp Lindsay Requesting Fr Baker not to return to Newcastle
N157 postcard 11-8-1976 pseudonym Attacks on Fr Baker set back Church Unity

Various

Bishop Clark to Correspondent: Unhappy problem

Responding to a correspondent about situation at Downham Market. "I share your anxiety about Downham Market, and for some time now I have been endeavouring to find a viable solution to this unhappy problem." People with cars can drive to Oxburgh or Swaffham - but this is far from a happy solution.

Clark, Alan Charles Rev DD (1919-2002)

Bishop Clark to Fr Baker: Reorganisation of parishes

A considerable reorganisation of parishes and pastoral responsibilities in the area of Dereham and Swaffham. Downham Market will become part of the Swaffham parish with Fr Peter Marsh as its first parish priest; it may be re-established as a parish in the future. Fr Baker must be living on a pittance now that RAF Marham has its own chaplain. Providing him with an overview of intentions which will not happen until arrangements have been made for Fr Baker.

Clark, Alan Charles Rev DD (1919-2002)

Fr Baker to Bishop Clark: Expects to stay at Downham

Income in the parish has increased - so, not living on a "pittance". Willing to accept position as a curate so that the parish priest from Swaffham does not have to travel to Downham. His weekly visit to the convent in Swaffham means he could easily report to the PP. Changes would be detrimental to this parish. Suggest that any priest free to officiate do so at Oxburgh instead. Not impelled to move; willing to stay.

Baker, Oswald Charles Rev (1915-2004)

Correspondent to Bishop Clark: Challenging the Bishop's decision

Went to Downham for the Mass and stayed a week. Why do you persecute a priest because he refuses to be a heretic? 5 years ago deviant behaviours (pop masses, dancing masses...) would have resulted in excommunication on the spot. Who is right Fr Baker, or those in a free for all.
Copied to Cardinal Heenan, Apostolic Delegate, Bishop Grant

Correspondent

Bishop Clark to Bp Grant: Diocese division; Downham Market; PP changeover

Suggest Canons Burditt and Frost and Frs Philpot and Wace for Commission on the division of the [Northampton] Diocese.
Downham Market is an issue on which we must stand - "whatever the personal holiness of Ossie (and God alone is the Judge here), he is corrupting a holy thing - and this is the hidden evil." Unwavering leadership is required. Confront Ossie with the obedience he owes, and, that the Pope has formally specified the circumstances in which the rite may be celebrated.
Tony Sketch should be given Downham market as his charge and say a publicised Mass there.
PPs (Aldeburgh, Wymondham, Felixstowe and Ipswich) make change-over on October 7th.

Clark, Alan Charles Rev DD (1919-2002)

The Tablet editor to Bishop Clark: Downham Market piece

T E Burns (Editor) to Bishop Clark advising him that a piece on Downham Market will be in The Tablet Notebook that week. "Since writing it, I have discovered that Downham Market is also the headquarters of the Counter Reform goings on of the Abbe Nantes, etc. etc. so perhaps Fr Baker is something rather different from the 'exemplary and devoted priest' that I depicted."
Mention that the CTS reissue of "Apostolicae Curea" is causing a convert some distress; the Bishop had written to him to say that such discussions should be available.

The Tablet

Bishop Clark to Editor, Catholic Herald: Downham Market article; Apostolicae Curea

Acknowledges that he had read the Downham Market article and advised others to read it. The holiness of Fr Baker is for God to judge but his ministry leaves a lot to be desired; have tried to contain this because of the hurt and scandal its disclosure would cause; this assumption of holiness hurts other priests in the area. "It is appalling that Downham Market has associated itself with the Abbe of Nantes."
Short discussion of Apostolicae Curae; leave off the offensive "final decision" from the front cover.
The proceedings of Oxford was kept completely confidential but the last sentence of the press release is a "humble and abiding confidence in what we are doing."

Clark, Alan Charles Rev DD (1919-2002)

Bishop Clark to Correspondent: Dress Code at Downham Market

Fr baker had issued detailed directives about what women could wear. The Bishop thought that a general directive might be more adequate - he had no idea of the lead up which horrifies him. "In many ways this miserable affair has only just begun" but your bishops are trying to find a solution compatible with Catholic faith - likely to be firm action.

Clark, Alan Charles Rev DD (1919-2002)

Bishop Clark to Correspondent: New Order compared to Tridentine Mass

Massive incoming post causes delay. Can debate the central point of the letter: the inadequacy of the New Order Mass compared to the Tridentine Mass. Vatican II debated extensively and profoundly and from there was promulgated the "Constitution of the Sacred Piturgy" in 1963 from which came the April 1969 Apostolic letter of Pope Paul. Fr Baker has known of the1970 Hierarchy directive and has deliberately put his Bishop in an impossible position but is following Canon Law; he could have acted summarily.

Clark, Alan Charles Rev DD (1919-2002)

Bishop Clark to Revd. K V Ensor: Doctrine and New Order of Mass

Rev K V Ensor's letter touched the Bishop deeply and precious to receive especially from an Evangelical Anglican. Shares the need not to tamper with doctrine under the rubric of spurious ecumenism. The doctrine of the RC Church is embodies in the New Order of Mass which is shared substantially with the Anglican Communion. The Church is not an abstraction; it is for the episcopate to discern what is to be done in the development of the Catholic faith.

Clark, Alan Charles Rev DD (1919-2002)

Bishop Office to Bishop Clark: Bishop Grant's letter to Fr Baker, copy enclosed

Fr D Morgan (Bishop's Secretary) provides a copy of the letter from Bishop Grant to Fr Baker, to be hand delivered by Fr Hammond. The Bishop had hoped that time would heal (the Code does not provide for a time limit to Fr Baker to reply). However, anxious by the activities of Fr Peter Morgan and the pastoral situation seemed to offer a way out without a rumpus.

Bishop's Office

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